I am not too sure but I found it very sad that when he moved out from bethal he was looking into having a baby with his wife, since she was younger than him, but couldn't because I believe she was over the child bearing age and difficult for her to get pregnant. But I think he did receive sooo much support from all who he helped awaken.
Olivia Wilde
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Did Ray Franz manage to live out a comfortable retirement from the proceeds of his books.
by joe134cd ini'm just curious if anybody knows.
firstly i don't take issue with the man making money from his books and if he was able to live comfortably from it then i say power to him.
but what i'm wanting to know was just how successful was it and did it allow him to live out the remainder of his years in comfort e.g buy a house, eat good food etc.
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INSPIRED ERROR: new phrase among JW CO
by wannaexit inthere is no end to their madness.
the co gave a talk on inspired error.
i have never heard of it.
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Olivia Wilde
Yes we had the same talk a few months ago, I agree the scripture had nothing to do with this, I think he used on in revelation.... anyways on PT 2 our CO said it's better to work at Mc Donalds first not missing mtgs, service etc... than to go to a university waste 4 yrs, not missing mtgs, service, etc & then ending up working at McDonald's.... Ludacris with their thinking, yeah "we prefer for you To Remain STUPID Since Recruiting People Doesn't take a college degree" ....
I was always amaze how quickly people rollout the red carpet for COs, they were eager to meet them, be on the schedule to work with them on door to door, & rush to prepare food at their homes to show how flashy their homes are... me? I would walk pass them, like any other being, nothing special for me, one CO wife even looked at me strange when I didn't give her special treatment & made it a point to say who she was by putting herself in my path, I said oh nice meeting you & walked away
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Stranger in my own house, Since my wife and i don't talk much anymore nor sleep in the same bed. i feel like a stranger.
by goingthruthemotions inmy wife is shunning me.
she is always in cult mode, we don't talk anymore, we don't sleep in the same bed.
i have been sleeping on the couch.
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Olivia Wilde
GTTM: Soo sorry you are going thru this and I will pray for you.... You say your wife never was one to express feelings and emotions very well but I can assure you she feels it inside. Remember she associates this religion with all the dynamics you as a husband should be, perhaps in her mind she feels like you abandon her... As a woman myself especially around/within a religion were dictates the dynamics of your marriage & family life and all of a sudden my partner in life is no longer there (just viewing it in her shoes) I would feel like I have no more support system especially spiritual, which this religion, ingrains in JWs, remember she views everything as JWs in what a "spiritual husband" should do in all aspects of your family life. You need to show her that your beliefs are separate from your love, morals and care as a Man, Husband and Father.... You need to demonstrate to her that no matter what you believe YOUR LOVE FOR HER and the person you are INSIDE DOES NOT change, actually you can demonstrate her that it makes you even a better husband & family man.
Remember in her eyes everything is connected to this religion, so you need to demonstrate that it is not connected and it doesn't change the wonderful husband you are. That being said, go back to the room with her and sleep in the same bed, cuddle with her, demonstrate your affection, even me as angry I have been with my husband due to an argument if he hugs me I can't resist.... and when you see her around the house give her kisses on the check and as you passby eachother touch her arm, waist-human contact.... and at times if she is standing preparing dinner or whatever, grab her by the hand, bring her close to you and say I am stealing a kiss from you and give her a kiss. Believe me every woman love men in love with her. Then on one night she doesn't have mts or JWs things ( so she doesn't think you are planning things on days of mtgs and being a "stumbling block" in her mind), surprise her with a romantic dinner at a nice restaurant, have plan what you want to discuss with her, NON JW things, and express to her when you first met and why you feel in love with her and tell her any funny moments you guys experience together when you were dating or early in your marriage, or when your kiddos growing up did funny things or cutie things.... believe me if you start taking steps of demonstrating her love she will see your efforts (she may or may not tell you but she will notice" and she will come to terms of just being in a marriage with an unbelieving mate and she still would have to be a submissive wife and contribute to the peace of the home and your marriage,... bring her a flower one day out of the blue and just say "just because it's Wednesday and giving one flower to another flower".... Not be easy but patience and time on your part you will have a better understanding and then at least you are doing your part. Hope everything goes well.
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Tough Day & wanting to escape
by Olivia Wilde inso today after my workout at the gym, i was driving away from the parking lot, notice 2 witnesses on the sidewalk with their witness cart, one older man with a young female, related?
not sure but as i drove away it finally hit me, all this buildup & staying strong since my awakening finally hit me .... just crying & saw my life flashing before my eyes just couldn't keep myself strong anymore, especially thinking of my child & other things happening in my life currently, which are hitting reality...... i came home & had a conversation with my son about our weekly mtgs, we have missed the ms mtgs for a few times/days in a row now, does anyone check on us?
... anyway i finally told him that for the time being mommy needs to figure out some things with god & jesus first & for the time being won't be making the ms mtgs & will be doing our bible study at home... thankfully he understands & just told him that god understands how i feel & is ok with it.... it's difficult to feel alone in this, i feel broken with the other things happening in my life, not wt or jw related, & just want to escape & run away, i don't have many friends & my non jw family is not a close family, we were never close, & i feel like i don't have anyone to talk to.... people that know me & interact with me have no clue the turmoil i'm going thru inside, i pretend like nothing is wrong with my life .
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Tough Day & wanting to escape
by Olivia Wilde inso today after my workout at the gym, i was driving away from the parking lot, notice 2 witnesses on the sidewalk with their witness cart, one older man with a young female, related?
not sure but as i drove away it finally hit me, all this buildup & staying strong since my awakening finally hit me .... just crying & saw my life flashing before my eyes just couldn't keep myself strong anymore, especially thinking of my child & other things happening in my life currently, which are hitting reality...... i came home & had a conversation with my son about our weekly mtgs, we have missed the ms mtgs for a few times/days in a row now, does anyone check on us?
... anyway i finally told him that for the time being mommy needs to figure out some things with god & jesus first & for the time being won't be making the ms mtgs & will be doing our bible study at home... thankfully he understands & just told him that god understands how i feel & is ok with it.... it's difficult to feel alone in this, i feel broken with the other things happening in my life, not wt or jw related, & just want to escape & run away, i don't have many friends & my non jw family is not a close family, we were never close, & i feel like i don't have anyone to talk to.... people that know me & interact with me have no clue the turmoil i'm going thru inside, i pretend like nothing is wrong with my life .
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Olivia Wilde
So today after my workout at the gym, I was driving away from the parking lot, notice 2 witnesses on the sidewalk with their witness cart, one older man with a young female, related? Not sure but as I drove away it finally hit me, all this buildup & staying strong since my awakening finally hit me .... just crying & saw my life flashing before my eyes just couldn't keep myself strong anymore, especially thinking of my child & other things happening in my life currently, which are hitting reality.....
I came home & had a conversation with my son about our weekly mtgs, we have missed the MS mtgs for a few times/days in a row now, does anyone check on us? Of course not. ... anyway I finally told him that for the time being mommy needs to figure out some things with God & Jesus first & for the time being won't be making the MS mtgs & will be doing our bible study at home... thankfully he understands & just told him that God understands how i feel & is ok with it.... it's difficult to feel alone in this, I feel broken with the other things happening in my life, not WT or JW related, & just want to escape & run away, I don't have many friends & my non JW family is not a close family, we were never close, & i feel like I don't have anyone to talk to.... people that know me & interact with me have no clue the turmoil I'm going thru inside, I pretend like nothing is wrong with my life
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Horrible Bosses
by John Aquila ini just heard this a few minutes ago by a jw friend who is still an elder in my old hall.
the kingdom hall i used to attend and my mom still attends was paid off many years ago and serves about 6 congregations.
one of the english congregations has a lot of financially well of members.
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Olivia Wilde
Omg sooo disgusting they did that, I would refuse to send the money & give it back to the ones who donated it...does anybody know what's the per publisher per mtg now $$?... the elders & Ms are the ones to makeup the deficit? Is this common practice? -
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Crises of Conscience by Raymond franz hardcopy book
by Olivia Wilde incan anyone tell me where is the best place to buy the hardcopy book from?
i need it for a friend, i need to buy it from a place that the proceeds go to a good cause, not amazon,..
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Olivia Wilde
@villageidoit, nothing against amazon just wanted to get the book where the proceeds go to a cause that's good not just making money off it... for example, when franz & wife a live if u would get it from the commentary press the proceeds would go to them which I totally support, since their departure not sure who took over & just wanted to support for someone who needs the proceeds, just want to do what's right in my heart & mind -
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Crises of Conscience by Raymond franz hardcopy book
by Olivia Wilde incan anyone tell me where is the best place to buy the hardcopy book from?
i need it for a friend, i need to buy it from a place that the proceeds go to a good cause, not amazon,..
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Can anyone tell me where is the best place to buy the hardcopy book from? I need it for a friend, I need to buy it from a place that the proceeds go to a good cause, not amazon,.
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Questions for JW lurkers
by punkofnice inwhich parts of the publications are the innacurate words of 'just imperfect men', and which parts are the inerrant words from the mouthpiece of jehovah on earth?.
how can you trust that you are being given correct information?
the governing body.
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Did an EX-JW wake you up to TTATT or did you put the effort to wake up yourself?
by John Aquila inhow many of us were woken up by some apostate yelling false prophets at a convention?.
how many of us were woken up by someone holding a sign and yelling, what happened to 1975.
how many of us were coerced to investigate the wt because some ex-jw pulled up a bunch of old watchtowers magazines and told us to read the false predictions?.
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Olivia Wilde
It was myself alone because of being falsely accused by someone in the congregation, the way elders did not handle this situation properly years ago & being slandered by this person which they knew she was lying & did nothing.... that in itself made me question they don't have God's spirit & i believe because that family donates alot of money to the KH fund... i saw JW trending in yahoo & decided to click on it, i didn't want to be blind anymore, it was the Royal Commission in Australia. ..found this forum & everything happened from there